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阿格尼的訪談 Interview with Agani


訪者:Irma Roksen Lulu & Roko, 於蓮華聖能中心十週年慶, 11/2015 (English below)

阿格尼的旅程

或多或少可以說,我沒有旅程,因為我轉世就沒有忘記我自己。所以當我還是小孩時,就已經像現在這樣了。(I: 你是說你總是知道?) 是的,當我還小的時候,我就知曉事情了。我在嬰兒時就被領養,養父母每天忙於工作,從來沒有人質疑過這個能力,他們只會運用它。所以在我13歲以前,他們很高興我可以看到未來、知道事情,可以在生意方面等等的給他們意見。

到我13歲時,人們告訴我:「現在你長大了,你可以抽菸、喝酒、交女朋友什麼的,但是你不可以再去看未來,因為成人不會這麼做,那是不合乎自然的。」有人這樣跟我說,但我想著,每個人應該都可以這麼做,我們都來自同一個源頭,難道每個人不應該都有能力看見氣場、跟天使或其他存有說話、跟植物、動物說話?我很確定每個人都做得到。但是那是我第一次知道我不應該那麼做,那對成人不好。

然而我又多花了一年時間。我14歲時,第一次獨自在倫敦度假,有一天我坐在一個迪斯可舞廳,裡頭有一群漂亮女生靠著牆壁,我看著她們,在心裡想著並跟自己說:如果你們能夠滑下牆壁然後躺在地上,那會很不錯。他們竟然真的那麼做了!我想:好吧,我的父母是對的,我不應該停止我的能力(笑)……於是,我試著有三年不再使用它。

到我17歲時,這個能力變得強大到,我必須再度將它用在人們身上。所以從17歲到19歲,我多做了些「算命」的事,然而只能知道未來卻無法改變它,讓我覺得不好玩。舉例來說,曾經有個女生來找我問事情,我看到她會出車禍,於是我告訴她:「明天你將會有車禍,而且相當嚴重。」結果她真的出車禍。有人也許會說,她出車禍或許是因為我告訴她,是一種自我應驗的預言。但是我也看到另一個女孩會出車禍,沒有告訴她,她還是出了車禍,所以那不是自我應驗的預言。為何我能看到未來卻無法改變它,這真的很無聊。就好像你知道明天會有草莓吃,但今天你卻不能嚐到它的滋味,那這個知道就沒有意義。我最後一次幫人算命是為一對年輕情侶,當時我19歲,他們來找我,說:「我們打算結婚,你能告訴我們關於我們的未來嗎?」結果我看到女孩會有5個孩子,而男孩會有3個,我要怎麼跟他們說?「你們會有孩子(笑)。」於是我不再告知人們未來,因為那毫無意義。

於是我轉而多做療癒、教導療癒、教導靜心以及擴展光跟愛......之類的,同時我那時在學校念法律。我試著開始做醫療的專業,比如針灸、整脊、療癒技巧等,並被邀請在斯里蘭卡擔任中醫教授。所以那時我教一點課,另外也在德國有個診所,但這讓我再次感到無趣,因為人們來到我面前總是說:「喔!我有問題」,他們總是只看到問題並且如此投入劇情。人們來到我的診所,告訴我這裡、那裡有問題,他們總是把焦點放在看見問題上。我認為若能看見對方的潛能,那會是大很多的愛的分享。我會這麼說:OK,如果你走向你的潛能,那麼問題自然就消失了;如果你離開問題所在,而不是去做療癒或跟著你的問題打轉……停止聚焦在你弱的部份,開始聚焦在你的潛能~那些你的強處以及你能療癒的部份。原諒你自己。

因此,在我40歲時,我從冰冷的工作野心中轉向,停止了療癒技巧的工作,轉而多去教導如何發展人們的潛能,那仍然很有趣。接著我開發了浴光之路、阿法氣顧問、靈性老師及一些療癒學派。但我後來大概有10年沒有教課,因為有好多好東西、好多很棒的人完成訓練,我只要坐下來等候新的發生就可以了。然後隨著黃金世紀的到來,新的知識來到,全新的領域正在展開,目前在這裡除了我,沒有人能夠教這些。所以我會繼續教,直到有人出現並且說:嘿!我能夠接下這個工作。外面有非常多的年輕人~正值青少年或更年輕的~會變得很棒,他們將可以發展出好多知識,因為沒有人對他們踩煞車。我頗高興,在幾年之後,這些新生代將會襲向我們,到時我就能翹起二郎腿看他們工作(笑)。

浴光之路

浴光之路,是我大概在20年前開發出來的。我看到人們對於他們有著光體,以及如何發展他們的光沒有概念,然而這其實可以就像每天刷牙般自然。檢視你的脈輪系統,看看你是否是平衡的,如果你失衡了,那就把自己帶回平衡中,所需要的只是你可以自己做的療癒,像是一種治療性的探險。習慣於你是光體、你是過著生活的靈魂、你來到這裡是有目的。總是跟自己重新連結。

許多事情不再需要任何療癒,因為療癒指的是你在你自己的道路上,療癒指的是你從各種界限中解脫出來。療癒本身最好的詮釋是自由,只有你能讓自己自由,它無法從任何療法而來,也無法從任何上師那裡而來,它只能來自你的心。你能為任何人做的最好的事就是:成為你自己。道路只有一條:你自己的道路。在自己的路上會見自己,然後就走自己的路。
要快樂。我想每個人都應該是快樂的,每個人都有快樂的能力。任何一個臉上帶著笑但卻不快樂的老師,不要去相信,我不信任沒有笑容的人。為什麼我要去跟隨任何一個會讓你不快樂的規則?我想有一個簡單的方法去看任何一個生命任務:它會讓你快樂嗎?那就不會是錯的。它會讓你不快樂嗎?那就不會是對的。如果每一個人都只做會讓自己快樂的事情,我想這個世界將會是個超級棒的地方。

找到生命中我們真正想做的

我想首先並且最重要的一步是,這不在明天,在今天。(I: 什麼?……A: 不在明天,在今天)。人們等著,要到明天才能快樂:首先我們要先買輛新車,然後是孩子要讀書,然後要買房子,最後要等我們退休的那一天,我們才有時間快樂。不,快樂的唯一時機在今天,不要等到明天。

如果你從現在這一秒就開始,從現在開始只做讓我快樂的事:做我享受的工作,愛我愛的人,跟我想要愛的人在一起,跟那些想交換快樂的人交換快樂~也有人是不想的啊!生命會戲劇性地立即朝向對的方向改變,而這不需要任何學校教你,只需要你的決定,並且跟隨你自己的決定。

人們喜歡做夢,卻不願意讓夢想成真,因為他們怕夢想一旦成真,他們就無事可做。所以他們開始一個夢,卻不願顯化它,接著再開始另一個夢,依然不去顯化,然後回首過去,說:「喔,我這些時間在這兒做了什麼?我沒有享受旅程。」然而我們來此是為了享受旅程,無論我們的個別道路為何,我們必須享受,最終才有可能大功告成。因此我覺得很重要的是:就在今天!

我們的真正道路

真正的道路,你已經走在上面了。你真正的道路在這個生命。只要你還活著,你就還沒有完成你的道路,你就依然任務在身。而你擁有你的身體、頭腦、愛的能力、快樂的能力、分享這一切的能力,沒有什麼是你還需要的。你已經有了一切,你已經帶來了所有的工具,它們都在你之內,你只需要允許自己打開這些工具,在日常生活中使用它們。

宗教

宗教,若你翻譯這個詞,意思是「起源」。宗教的主要原因在提醒你,你是來自神性源頭。如果一個宗教能夠做到,讓你記起你是個神性存有,你就知道你不會受苦。但政治會運用宗教來壓制人們:「若你想進天堂,就照我說的做。」「你現在必須受苦,這樣到了天堂你才會自由。」這些都是屁話。讓人們憶起他們的源頭是什麼~他們是神性存有。放棄受苦,受苦不會幫助你完成任務,如果一個宗教讓你受苦,那它就無助於你完成任務。所以有些人說:「在教堂出生很好,但在教堂死去就不好(笑)。」

關於愛與恐懼

兩件事:一是每個人都想快樂,並且每個人都有一個接觸層級,可以藉此而愉悅地再次被指引到快樂,或是被指引到愛。但我們已經缺少的那第一步,是我們不允許人們讓我們開心。
我跟法國警察有個很美好的經驗。我們開始安瑞塔巴(譯按:位於法國的聖火傳承母光中心)時,他們以為我們是回教徒,所以他們就用秘密機構、秘密警察、州警察、地方警察、各式各樣的警察,來調查我們,因此有兩年,警察每天都來,帶來市政府、州政府等等的信,一直要我們做這做那做這做那。一天,我在帶一個課程,秘書跑來告訴我:「你得下樓來,警察又來了。」所以我就走了三層樓下去,當我到達辦公室,警察站在那裡,我說:「看到你們真好!你們今天要帶給我什麼樣的喜悅?」他們看看彼此,心想從沒有人這麼對他們這麼說過,於是他們笑了。從那天起,我們就變成朋友了!他們來跟我們一起騎摩托車,一起散步,從那天起,一切都變得柔軟了,因為「喔,我們可以讓他們開心!」

是的,你可以讓我開心,我也會讓你開心,但是沒有人跟他們說過,他們可以帶給人快樂,只說他們只能帶給人恐懼。日常生活中,我們都會在某些日子需要幫助,某些日子可以給予幫助,但記住,人們是被允許讓我們開心的,而且能這麼做他們也會好開心,「喔我真的可以幫你!我好開心我可以為你做些事!」這也適用我們自己身上,有人說,「可以告訴我如何快樂嗎?」「喔你要我告訴你,我真開心!」所以允許自己去接受喜悅、接受幫助,就已經能改變那些生你氣的人。因為每個人都在說:我怕這個人….我怕這個小偷….我怕誰誰誰…..但沒有人說:喔你能幫我,帶給我快樂......他們一輩子都沒有聽過這些,所以允許他們,「喔我可以耶,我可以讓人開心,沒有人告訴過我,或許我也可以改變我的生命,享受其他人,也展現快樂。」我看到好多例子,沒錯你可以,你可以再度去愛。

從亞特蘭提斯時代以來的兩萬年,好多人活在陰影面,沒有人告訴他們,他們可以回頭再去愛。他們就想,好吧,那我們就一輩子留在黑暗面吧,我們經驗過地獄。那些從阿富汗、伊拉克、以色列等等戰爭回來的人,他們從地獄出來,沒有人提醒他們,他們仍然可以去愛。他們看到不好的事,做了不好的事,但仍然有扇通往他們自己的心的門開著,只是沒有人提醒他們。這些難民帶著滿滿的創傷逃出,人們說,你需要毯子、你需要食物、你需要帳篷……當然,身體需要滋養,但你的心更需要滋養,你是有未來的,你可以再度去愛,你會找到愛你的人,你會再度找到幸福,這會比食物或毯子更能帶來不同。

做對你好的事

在我們的靈魂中,我們不曾離開任何東西,歸返的點在於,停止忘記我們是誰。我們就是原來的自己。人類的主要出路,在於每個人開始做對自己好的事,整個社會就會改變。我們在意識上需要的唯一一步是,請每個人做對你好的事,這樣我們就會做對我們的伴侶、對家庭、對社群、對國家、對地球好的事。因為當我傷害了某個人,這對自己也不好;若我破壞了森林,這對我也不好;若我破壞了海洋,對我也不好,我必須做對自己好的事,我也必須做對一切都好的事。

接下來呢

你總是隨時準備出發是吧?!「哪個宇宙還沒去過,我們去吧(笑)!」在天堂我們都有家鄉,每個人都在天堂有自己的地方,那永遠都是你的地方。但我們來到地球,是要去經驗我們能在物質結構中~而不是只在光中~顯化自己。因此就如法蘭克辛那屈的歌「紐約」中唱的,「如果你在這裡辦得到,你在哪裡都辦得到。」在天堂很容易辦事,但當你轉世到地球,你必須去經驗你在地球也能做得到,你在地球也能快樂,你在地球也能是愛,這些你在地球都可以。

大大擁抱

謝謝,真謝謝你,謝謝。
(Agni 校聽寫稿,Shamba Roma Hueiwen Lu 翻譯)

(初發表於 2016/6/4 臉書
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By Irma Roksen Lulu & Roko, on 10th Anniversary of Lotus Shakti Center Taiwan

Agni’s Journey

More or less I don’t have a journey, because I incarnated and I didn’t forget myself, so I was as a child already like I am now. (I: you always knew?) Yes, I always knew things when I was a child. As I was adopted as a baby and my parents worked all day, nobody questioned this ability. They only used it. So until I was 13, they were happy that I could see future and know things so could advice them for business whatever.

When I became 13 they said “now you grow up. You are allowed to smoke, to drink, have girlfriend whatever. But you are not allowed to see future anymore, because adults don’t do that. This is not nature.” Somebody told me that. I thought, everybody could do that. We all of one origin. Shouldn’t everyone be capable of seeing aura, talking to angels, other beings, talking plants, animals? I was pretty sure everybody can do that. I first learned I shouldn’t do that, not good for adults.
But it took me another a year, and I was first time alone on a vacation in London and I was 14. I was sitting at a discotheque and there was a beautiful girls leaning up against the wall. I looked at them and thought, “it would be so nice”, I said to myself, “if you would slide down the wall and lie on the floor”. And so they did. I thought, OK my parents were right, I shouldn’t stop that (laugh).......So I tried to stop it for three years.

And when I was 17, it came to strong that I had to make it my focus again to work with people. So from 17 to 19 I did more fortune telling stuff. But it was no fun to know future without changing it. So like I had a girl came for questions, and I saw that she will have a car accidents. So I told her “tomorrow you will have a car accident, and it will be pretty bad.” And she had this accident. So some think, maybe she has it because I told her ~ self-fulfilling prophecy. I saw an accident of another girl, didn´t tell her, and she the accident anyway. So it’s not self-fulfilling prophecy.. Why should I look at the future if I can’t change it. It’s boring. If you know you have strawberries tomorrow, but today you don’t have any taste of it, it makes no sense knowing it. The last fortune telling i gave a young couple, who wanted to get married and came to me when I was 19. “We want to marry. Can you tell us things of our future?” I saw she will have five kids and he will have three. So what to tell them? “You will have kids. (laugh)” So then I stopped telling future to people as it makes no sense.

So I went more into healing, teaching healing, teaching meditation and love and expending light, stuff like these. Well I studied law at that time. I start to work as a medical professional, like acupuncture, chiropractic, healing arts, and they asked me in Sri Lanka to become a professor for Chinese medicine. So I taught that a little bit and I had my clinic in Germany. And it was boring again because people come and said: Oh I have problem. They always look for problems and get so dramatic. Somebody entered the room and pointed there and there. The always focus on seeing problems. I think is far more love sharing if you see potential. I say, OK, if you go to your potential, the problem is already gone. If you leave the place where the problem has to be, instead of doing therapy and go around your problems and problems……stop focusing on the weak part of you and start focusing on your potential where you are strong and where you can heal it. Forgive yourself.

I changed icy working ambitions when I was forty, I stopped working in healing arts and did more teachings in how to develop peoples potential. That’s still fun. So I found path into light, Acc Consultant, Spiritual Teachesr and some healing schools. But I didn’t do any teaching for ten years. Because now there are so many things there and so many good people trained. I sit back and waited for something new. In this dawning of the golden age, new knowledge is available to teach to the people. New dimension are opening up. So far nobody’s here to teach them but me. So I do it until somebody comes and says ‘hey I can take that job!’ As there are a lot of young people out there who would be so fantastic, who are now teens or younger and they will develop so much knowledge because no body put a break on them. I am pretty happy that in some years new generation will hit us and I can sit back and see them do the work.

The Path into Light

The path into light, I found it about twenty years ago. Seeing people have no idea that they have a light body and they can develop their light, can be so nature like brushing your teeth everyday. Checking your chakra system and seeing if you are in balance. If you are not in balance so bring yourself back in balance. It’s all needing healing as a therapeutic adventure again. Do it you yourself. Get used to that you are a light body, you are a soul living your life, and that you are here for a purpose. And always reconnect to yourself.

Many things don’ t need any healing anymore, because healing means that you are on your path, healing means you are free from boundaries. Healing itself the best to say is being free. Being free can only come from yourself. Can’t come from any therapy, can’t come from any Guru. It only can come from your heart. The best what you can do to anybody is to say: be yourself. There’s only one way - it’s your own. Meet yourself on your way then do your path.

Be happy. And I think everybody should be happy and everybody should have the ability to be happy. Anybody who teaches things out of smile without of being happy, don’t trust. I don’t trust people who don’t smile. Why should I follow any rule which makes you not happy? Think there’s an easy way to look at any life task: does it make you happy? Can’t be wrong. Does it make you not happy? Can’t be right. If everybody only does things that make happy, I think the world will be a super great place.

Finding out what we really want to do in life

I think the first and most important step is, it is not tomorrow, it is today. (I: what?… Agni: not tomorrow, it is today). People wait to be happy for tomorrow. First we have to buy a new car, then we have to educate our children, then we have to pay for our house, and then one day we will retire and we will have time to be happy. No, the only time to be happy is today. So let’s not waiting for tomorrow.

So if you start right now as this second, from now on I only do things that make me happy. I do work that I enjoy, I love the people that I love, I be with people I love to love, I want to share happiness with those who also want to share happiness. There are also ones who don’t. Life will change dramatically right now to the right direction. And this doesn’t need any school. Just need your decision and follow your own decision.

People like to dream but not to make the dream come true. Because they fear if the dream comes true, there’s nothing else to do. And so they start the dream, and they don’t manifest it. They start the next dream, and they don’t manifest it. Then looking back they say, “oh what do I do with my time here? I didn’t enjoy the ride.” And we are here to enjoy the ride. Whatever our individual path is, we have to enjoy to be fulfilled at the end. AND I think this is the major thing: make it today.

Our real path

Well the real path, you are already on there. Your real path is in this life. As long as there’s life in you, you haven’t fulfilled the path. You are still on your mission. And you have your body, your mind, your ability to love, your ability to be happy, the ability to share all that. There’s nothing you need. You have everything. You brought all the tools with you. They are all inside you. You just have to allow yourself to unwrap the tools and use them in your daily life.

Religion

So religion, if you translate it as a word, means ‘origin’. The main reason for religion is to remember you that you are of divine origin. If a religion does that and remembers you that you are a divine being, you already know you there’s nothing to suffer. But politics are using religions as a method of suppressing people. “So if you want to come to heaven, do what I told you.” “You have to suffer now, so in paradise you will be free ….” That’s all bullshit. Remember people what their origins are, that they are divine beings. Forget suffering. Suffering is not fulfilling your task. If a religion makes you suffer, it’s helping you not to fulfill your task. So some said “it’s good to be born in church, but not good to die in one (laugh)”

About love and fear

Two things: one is that everybody wants to be happy, and everybody has a contact level where he would enjoy to be guided to happiness, or to be guided to love again. But the first step we already miss is that we don’t allow people to make us joy.

I have a very nice experience with French police. So when we open Amritabha, they thought we are Muslims, so they have their secret service, secret police, state police, local police investigating on us. So for two years, everyday police came and brought us letters from the city, from the state, and something new we have to do, we have to do, we have to do. And I was teaching a seminar and secretary came around and said “you have to come down, police again at the door”. So I went three floors down walking, and when I arrived at the office, police were standing there. I said: “How good to see you! What kind of joy you want to give me today?” And they look at each other, and thought nobody has ever said that to them! And they stared to smile. From this day on, we have become friends! They came running motorcycles with us. They came walking with us. From the day,
everything was soft, because “oh we are allowed to make them joy”.


Yes you can do me joy, and I will do you joy too. But nobody said that they are allowed to give joy, they are only allowed to give fear to people. And if you do it in daily life, we all need help in some days, and can give help in another days. But remember, people are allowed to give us joy. So they are so happy as they do, can do that “oh I really can help you. Really I’m so happy I can do something for you” So same with ourselves. Somebody says “can you show me how to be happy?” “Oh you allow me to show you. I’m so happy I can do that”. So giving the allowance to yourself, to receive joy, to receive help, already changes people who are angry at you. Because everyone says I fear this guy, I fear this guy, I fear this …..I fear this….I fear this thief. Nobody says, oh you can help me. Bring me joy. In their whole life they didn’t hear that. so allow them. “oh I can do that. I can give joy. Nobody ever told me. Maybe I can change my life too, enjoying other people and showing happiness. ” I saw it so many times. Yeah you can do that, you are allowed to love again.

So many people lived under shadowed side for 20,000 years, since Atlantis. And nobody told them they can go back and love again. They always thought Ok we stay in the dark side forever. We have been through hell. People coming back from wars like afkanistan, or Iraq, isreal…. They have been through hell, and nobody reminds them that they still are allowed to love. They saw bad things. They did bad things. But still there’s a door open to their own hearts. But nobody remembers them. The refugees come full of dramas, and they said, you need blankets, you need food, your need tents..of course the bodies need to be nourished. But the more is your heart needs to be nourished. There’s future of you. You can love again. You will find people who will love you. You will find happiness again, which will make more difference than some food or some blankets.

Do what is good for you

In our soul, we never left anything. The returning point is that we stop forgetting who we are. We are who we are. And the main concern of humanity is that everybody starts to do what is good for her/himself. The whole society will be changed. The only step we need in consciousness is, ok please everybody do what is good for you. And there we will do what is good for our partner, for family, for community, for country, for earth. Because when I hurt somebody, it’s not good for you. If I destroy the forest, it’s not good for me. If I destroy ocean, it’s not good for me. I have to do good for myself, and I have to do good for everything.

What comes next

You want to be always on the road again! “Yeah, which universe you haven’t been to, let’s go there (laugh)”. We all have our homeland in heaven, and everybody has his own place in heaven. That’s your own place forever. But we come to earth to experience that we can manifest ourselves in a material structure, not only in light. So it is like in like in the song from Frank Sinatra:“New York,“ :“If you can do it here, you can do it everywhere.“ It is easy to do things in Heaven But when you incarnate on Earh, you have to experience that you can do it on Earth. You can be happy on earth. You can be love on earth. You can be all light one earth.

A big Hug
Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you.

(Transcribed by Shamba & Roma Hueiwen Lu, edited by Agni Eickermann)

(First released on FB 2016/6/4)
 

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